Wednesday 21 January 2009
QUESTIONS FOR WHITE'S SUPPORTERS
Leave any questions for White's friends & supporters here. I'll start with the first one for Atki. Not so long ago, you supported Browning and went against Charlie. Now you admit you were wrong to do so. I was right back then so why is it such an impossibility that I am right, again , only this time about White?
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Have any of you actually seen any paperwork relating to his supposed recent raid, bail & arrest? And I'm talking the originals, NOT scans, photocopies are something that has been sent by email?
White says he showed originals to Wigan Mike. It would be easy enough to knock up some fake ones. WHat we want is to see the paperwork from his last charge where he went to prison AND the alleged latest raid becuase I do believe he has doctored the old ones to look like new ones.
I believe the likes of Atki, Ade etc are fundamentally good blokes who have been manipulated by White - White orchestrated the whole RVF/BPP fall out, then the BFF one too. Ed and me caught him lying countless times during this time and whilst there are many things about the past arguments with various people, I personally regret the RVF one the most because I know that they were just victims of White's lies.
I believe that relatively soon the whole of Nationalism will see that White is state.
@anonymous.
it would be easy to knock up fake ones.would that include the evivdence for the white lies book would that be as easy to knock up as you say and if so should we take any evidence as fact or as gossip consructed to assinate a character who some dislike?.
just a thought.
Yes, you are probably right, I'd imagine it would be fairly easy to knock up fake ones. The thing is, how many people would sit down and go to the trouble of researching, writing and have professionally printed a 68 page booklet about someone just because they didn't like him? Add to this that White does come across as a quite likeable bloke (well you would want to cultivate that reaction in other people if you were trying to gain their confidence would you not?). Remember, at the time the book was written, White was a relative nobody in Nationalism - smears are only written about people that are usually of some consequense. As an example there is the booklet written about Peter Rushton by Tony Lecomber on behalf of Nick Griffin. Many in Nationalism saw this as Griffin getting rid of one of the only serious future challangers for the BNP Leadership. Indeed JT himself commented at the time of the booklets release "If Peter is a plant, give me a thousand more just like him"! Then there is the fact that White has lied about who wrote the book. He has claimed on different occassions that it was Larry O'Hara, Larry O'Hara & Kev Watmough and also Larry O'Hara & BNP activists. I tell you again, anyone that was around at the time will confirm, it was Dave Owens (BNP Yorkshire Activities Organiser) and his friend BNP activist Dave Appleyard. It was officially authorised by the BNP Leadership and I also believe actually advertised for a time in the BNP Newspaper of the time 'British Nationalist' (if anyone reading this can supply an old copy to confirm this please get in touch). It may have been copied and sold also by O'Hara at a later time, but that is not unusual as there was no copyright on it and the pages of O'Hara's magazines are filled with this sort of stuff - some being right and some wrong. There are many, many truths in the booklet and White's track record since then seem to confirm this.
Two of the items of evidence in White Lies are written in White's handwriting. How does White account for that?
I've got a question for Bob James & Dave Hill: You know White is lying when he says I brought journalist Ncik Ryan to the Remembrance day March, don't you?
Have any of you ever caught White out in a lie?
Are the things produced in the book 'White Lies' actually written in White's hand writing then or not? As anyone got a sample? If they are not, could they possibly be written in that of his wifes? Was he even with her back then?
JT was not the best when it came to sussing anyone out, let alone Peter Rushton. Remember Ray Hill?
Yes Joe, that is a very fair comment. Not just Hill but others too. That said, Ray Hill did have alot of followers back then and he fooled them all (in much the same way White seems to be now). I would hope Rushton is not a wrong-un, if he is the KGB must've trained him because he appears to have nerves of steel, has been attacked a few times and always bounces back. He does do alot of work, mainly in the field of revisionism. One of the things that undermines the "Rushton is a wrong-un theory is Griffin's ridiculous article sometme back accusing him of being actually Nick Lowls (I might've spelt that wrong).
Anonymous - has anyone ever caught White lying? Countless times. ES will back me up on it. We both caught him lying literally time and time again. We have also caught him either grassing to the reds or posting on the net AS a red (Che on B+H Guestbook). Leading up to the BPP demo in October a red had been posting all sorts of rubbish on that Guestbook as Che and various others - software recognised that the same person who posted these red comments was none other than the very same person posting who claimed he was Yorkshire NF organiser - in other words White. This was backed up when Che posted a piece of information that had been fed only to White as a test. Nobody else in the World knew it - and this happened TWICE.
The thing is, I can't answer a lot of the accusations that has been said about WHITE, only he can do that, just like some of the dirty accusations spread about me from some undesirables on here only I can ans.
But what I can say is from my experience that WHITE has proven to be a gd comrade, he has been there and backed me up when needed, there is some right shit in the white lies book, and a lot of it is assumption, and circumstantial not 100% fact like what is stated.
Its also so easy to jump on the band wagan which is what I see here, look how many people on here who has never met me has made up there mind about me, look how the wolfpack, had 100% proof I was MI5, KGB, A GRASS, POLICE INFORMER, FBI, lol.
I see WHITE being used as a scapegoat, its being proven here were Kate says WHITE orchestrated the fall out with the BFF/RVF, no Kate it was you who did that, not WHITE.
There was a pict, and a few different ones of CHE, CHE and WHITE are not the same..
Also did the last post on defending Tony
like "CHE" would be a proper photo of himself up? Like "WHITE" would if he were calling himself "CHE"....
Kate it wasn't Tony White that made the split between BFF/RVF, it was you, you was told to keep your mouth shut, but you couldn't every opportunity you slagged off someone, and instead of keeping it off the net, and talking in private you couldn't help yourself, you have slated loads of good comrades off, and it wasn't appreciated by a lot of people, yes we retaliated and called you back, but we shut up when asked.
whenn you have different picts of the same person it kinda indicates its not the same person EDDIE, its no more proof than what you have of Tony
Exactly Mike, you can't defend or speak about any of the accusations made against White, only he can and to date he has made no attempt to leave any comments on this blog. I know what it is like to be mistakenly accused of being a wrong-un, but unlike White I bent over backwards to put my case across when Joe Owens accused me; even to the point of re-registering on Stormfront over a dozen times when they kept bannng me for life. There is other proof QWhite is a no good grass that I cannot go into on public fprum, but if & when I bump into you I'll tell you then. At the minute, Re: White & the BFF/RVF everthing in the garden may seem rosey. Be very careful of te bloke. I would have no part of this blog if I thought any of the stuff about White was false. He lies constantly, surely you can see this, so this begs the question why?
I remember comments posted by Pino slagging Kate off on the BFF forum being published & then later removed. it's a two way thing Mike. I suppose that'll be denied now too. The thing that really pissed you lot off was my announcement that we were severing all links with BFF/RVF. It's for the best, and anyway, if like you lot seem to think, that Kate or me are State then if we have no ties we can't hurt you can we. Pity we can't say the same for White. I'll leave the other comment you left for Kate to moderate.
All this stems from the Leeds demo' in October outside HMV. Everyone from the BFF/RVF were all for it and promised their support. Then TW came out with crap about the cops leaving a file at his house when he was supposedly raided. Because of the contents of this 'file' you decided not to attend as you were/are a target for the law and you couldn't afford to be sent down. Fair enough, who can blame you? But it didn't stop there, you told everyone else in the BFF not to go and even organised a BFF meeting on the same day in Lancashire. Why do that? The Scots lads brought a minibus down but most of those who said they were coming dropped out at the last minute because of what they were told by you.
I think the real reason the BPP were let down by the BFF/RVF was because it was at the time your strategy to take over the NF. Tony White's agenda did not involve the BPP, he wanted the NF to appear as the main street-active Nationalist party and have no rivals and you all fell for it.
ED.
There was slating on both sides I admit that, but if you remember Kev made the first move in insulting me and the BFF as a whole, I aint denying we never said stuff in retaliation, I'm saying that when ATKI asked us to behave we did,
everyone else in the BFF not to go and even organised a BFF meeting on the same day in Lancashire. Why do that? The Scots lads brought a minibus down but most of those who said they were coming dropped out at the last minute because of what they were told by you.
Ok you seem to be misunderstand, I did advise people not to go, because it was becoming a joke, but some BFF did go, 3, and they was treated appallingly by KATE and KEV, I did repeat my concern why the BFF shouldn't go, and to be honest thats my business not yours, if I feel the BFF shouldn't do something, I think its my choice, seeing its my org right or wrong.
Also the BFF do was organised at 5pm, plenty of time for those that wanted to do the LEEDS op, to do what they have to do, and why they was there come to a meet.
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I think the real reason the BPP were let down by the BFF/RVF was because it was at the time your strategy to take over the NF. Tony White's agenda did not involve the BPP, he wanted the NF to appear as the main street-active Nationalist party and have no rivals and you all fell for it.
My stragedy to take over the NF? WWHHHAAAAAA PMP, that was soooo funny, I have no interest in taking over the NF, and the only reason I took a interest in the NF WAS BECAUSE i WAS ASKED TO DO security at the NF remembrance day, the unity there was unbelievable, which gave me more hope in the unity dream, I have no interest in political parties, but do support the NF, my main interest is street action.
Mike - this is NOT a blog created for you to air your nonsensical views. You have your own forum for that so please stick to posting there instead of here. The accusations made against you by totally independent people who are absolutely nothing to do with me, ES, KW or the BPP - the likes of Joe Owens has stated his opinion of you and others, end of story. If we feel it is appropriate we will begin a blog to highlight our concerns about YOU or anyone else that we may at any time feel is a wrong un. However, at this moment in time this is a blog which will only concentrate on Tony White and Alan Newark until we post otherwise.
Pino (as has been stated here already by ES) was the one who could not keep his trap shut - if this is not the case then why did all of his posts slating me and the demo disappear rapidly from your forum? You've buried your head about White and it will come back to haunt you.
Tony White tricked all of you into believing a folder was left at his house which stated you'd get sent down for three years if you went to the demo, so you decided not to go. You know as well as we do that he lied about this folder. You're not bright or astute enough to work out what the rest of the movement knows - White is a liar and a grass and as you did not have admin access to the Guestbook you can no way say that White was not posting as Che. I did and I CAN assure you Che was connected to White - simple ip checks and recognition software detected it within seconds. White also was caught red (excuse the pun) handed passing on information about me. Only he had been told it and it was purposely fed to him to test him and TWICE it ended up on Indymedia within twelve hours. Nobody else on earth knew that info - therefore it HAD to be him. He relayed it in a lot of detail too.
White is a grass - wake up. All we want to see is all the paperwork from this alleged raid AND from his last arrest when he received a custodial sentence. We want to see the folder which said members of the RVF and BFF would be sent down for three years - this was stated to ES, KW, KD and despite you denying it he said it to you too Mike because someone sat with you at the time confirmed it. Let's see White prove his innocence and you stop covering for his lies. Simple.
In the mean time, no more of your comments (unless they concern White) will be approved on here.
My stragedy to take over the NF? WWHHHAAAAAA PMP, that was soooo funny, I have no interest in taking over the NF, and the only reason I took a interest in the NF WAS BECAUSE i WAS ASKED TO DO security at the NF remembrance day, the unity there was unbelievable, which gave me more hope in the unity dream, I have no interest in political parties, but do support the NF, my main interest is street action.
Mike we will now call you ME ME as it's all we hear - when will you work out that you are of absolutely no significance to this movement? As if ANYONE would even contemplate the thought of you taking over the NF - PMSL indeed.
Mike's drivel will no longer be posted on here as he is contributing nothing of any significance to this forum whose aim is to prove that White is a grass and wrong un.
Comments by Pino were published on the BFF blog AFTER Atki asked everyone to knock it on the head. I saw them and they were later removed.
The proof is Mike that White has lied about who wrote this book and why. If he lies about one thing i relation to the allegations then everything else he says in is undermined. Exactly the same way it would go if he was caught lying in a Court of Law.
did you mean the blog or the website? I've got nothing to do with the BFF blog. Yeah I said stuff on the website after Kate started a hate campaign about me on her blog out of knowhere because I cut off all ties with Dave from Wolfpack and said he was a weird person which I haven't met a single person who has met him properly who doesn't agree but I never said I dont like Dave, but whatever kate kev or me said about each other I thought all got sorted in that big MSN conversation that lasted untill about 3 in the morning, I know there has been little sniggers at each other since then but nothing major carn't it just be left what people apparently said after Atki told people to stop everybody has just about broke it one way or another so everybody can be blamed including me. I just dont like infighting what so ever but since becoming active a year ago I must say this entire movement revolves around it and i've been sucked into it myself. When I called Ed a freak on the BFF forum I actually thought that thread was about Oldham Dave from Wolfpack but whats been said has been said. If theres a grass in the movement he definately needs to be thrown out but all the evidence against Tony seems to just be hear say and opinion, yes I will say there is some good points on here the thought of the police leaving a file saying the BFF will be arrested at the demo does seem odd to say the least but only Tony can answer that I wasn't there. I think the BPP and BFF/RVF should just stay out of each others business completely and that way there will never be talk of people all fighting and dis-agreeing and I'll promise 100% I'm not slagging anybody off at all in the future it's just not worth it how in Gods name a blog about revealing a grass has turned into another BPP BFF war of words I've no idea but I dont want nothing to do with the name calling anymore it's pathetic and can I just ask everybody does the same and just leave this to whoevers blog it is and tony white?
I agree, let's just all agree to differ, stop slagging each other off and the BPP will go it's own way. This blog is for exposing White and nothing else.
Pino - as was stated, Mike's comments will be deleted and this will NOT be used as his personal posting board. This blog is about Tony White being a grass - we have offered up plenty of evidence and will offer up plenty more too but essentially it is nothing to do with the RVF/BFF/BPP's disagreements which will be kept off this board as we will not give the reds information unlike White. As your post contains relevant information about White and also is not rambling drivel your comments will remain in place.
You're not daft Pino - you know that certain parts of what we've said on here are true because White fed his bullshit to the BFF. Mike rang me and told me White had told him a folder was left at his house which said if Mike went to the demo he'd get sent down for three years. Someone sat by the phone when White told Mike this confirms it was said. White told me, KW and ES exactly the same. But now denies it - why? Those who are burying their heads and pretending he never said it are fools and he will get them sent down. Why did White take Mike to Leeds to smack the bloke on the market? Why did he lure Mike to commit illegal activities for him? Why did White post on the NF forum asking for people to contact him to help him deal with Pakis in West Yorkshire? Why, why did White lie for three months about being the NF Organiser? Because he IS a liar. And a grass. I just hope people realise this before he gets them sent down.
Pino, as a sign of good faith I am going to remove some of the comments about you.
@kd-you say ade and atki are fundamentally good blokes,which know one will dispute.
you go on to say that they were manipulated by white.i question this as both guys have been around along time and surely they would have been familar with white lies and its origins of the 1990s.
you have been active a year could,nt you have manipulated the whole sequence of events at the time of the leeds demo for your own gains?..
people with the expierence of ade and atki, surely would,nt be so foolish as to be mislead by someone with such a track record of causing such trouble as white lies suggests would they?
or look at it this way maybe not everyone at the time fully agreed and believed white lies for what it was.
if the actions of white are true as set out in white lies why would kw who again is a man of vast expierence have anything to do with such dodgy character?
the same applies to es?
anyone could understand you not knowing about white lies as from your own mouth you have only been active a year but surely your boyfriend would have warned you about this beforehand and as the solid unit of leadership you are kw kd and es of the bpp why did you put yourselfs in such close contact with a wrong un as you put it?
or again is this a personal vendetta against white because of a fallout between you?
and white lies is brought into the equation to help win a personal dispute?
there is more to this than meets the eye.lots of questions not answered.
please explain why you all would associate with a known wrong un as you say in the first place???
don,t censor.
To the question above - I have already answered this in a previous post. I'll say now in a bit more detail: I have met Tony White twice - once very, very briefly at an RVF social and once at the Remembrance day march. I have spoken to him a few (maybe 4 or 5 times) on the phone. Right from day one I didn't trust him. I said as much to Stuart Hollingsdale and I'm sure Ade remembers the email I sent him saying the same shortly after White claimed to have been raided & arrested - I even said then I didn't believe it had happened. Certain people know I am telling the truth & they are not coming forward to admit that which tells me they have no honour & the BPP are best off without them.
Anonymous - the reason we severed ties with White was because he is a wrong un, if you wish to construe that as being a fall out then that's your call but we regard it more as rooting out someone who is of detriment to the progression of the nationalist movement. I note from your ip that you're not in Leeds - this is ALWAYS the case. Those who support him do not live in the same city as him, they do not have to put up with his nonsense so acutely.
Asking why we associated with a known wrong un is absurd - we did it because we gave him the benefit of the doubt and as soon as we began to see he was lying repeatedly we cut ties to him. We forst noticed what was going on when he began telling KD one thing, ES another and KW something different again - and ALL of what he was saying to each person was slagging off one of the other two. We clicked straight away that he was trying to split up the main three activists of the British People's Party, thus undermining the strength of the Party. Then we all started to be convinced that he was NOT a member of the NF as he claimed and certainly not an organiser. We were right about that and told MANY people about it too. There was the false information fed to him which appeared within twelve hours on C18 Guestbook and Indymedia. There was the bullshit about the folder being left at his house when he alleges he was raided. In fact the only thing we heard out of White's mouth for months was bullshit, the vast majority of which we have proven.
Tell me this - at one time Indymedia was FULL of shit about KD and KW, much of which was known only by White, how do you explain this? And how come there is not a single, solitary mention of any of the revelations on here on that site now? They're like parasites when it comes to a tidbit of fact about the good ol' fash. Might it possibly be as we have said for months that White himself fills those very pages himself? Wake up.
We have tested him and on EVERY occasion he failed. Every occasion the false information ONLY he was fed ended up on Indymedia or the C18 Guestbook. Those who support White are doing so simply because they dislike KD, KW or ES. There are at least three of these people who we KNOW White told about that folder saying they'd be banged up for three years yet they're now denying it. Why would they do that? Why shield a grass?
These people will do so at their peril because White will be the master of their downfall.
Anonymous - the reason we severed ties with White was because he is a wrong un, if you wish to construe that as being a fall out then that's your call but we regard it more as rooting out someone who is of detriment to the progression of the nationalist movement. I note from your ip that you're not in Leeds - this is ALWAYS the case. Those who support him do not live in the same city as him, they do not have to put up with his nonsense so acutely.
Asking why we associated with a known wrong un is absurd - we did it because we gave him the benefit of the doubt and as soon as we began to see he was lying repeatedly we cut ties to him. We forst noticed what was going on when he began telling KD one thing, ES another and KW something different again - and ALL of what he was saying to each person was slagging off one of the other two. We clicked straight away that he was trying to split up the main three activists of the British People's Party, thus undermining the strength of the Party. Then we all started to be convinced that he was NOT a member of the NF as he claimed and certainly not an organiser. We were right about that and told MANY people about it too. There was the false information fed to him which appeared within twelve hours on C18 Guestbook and Indymedia. There was the bullshit about the folder being left at his house when he alleges he was raided. In fact the only thing we heard out of White's mouth for months was bullshit, the vast majority of which we have proven.
Tell me this - at one time Indymedia was FULL of shit about KD and KW, much of which was known only by White, how do you explain this? And how come there is not a single, solitary mention of any of the revelations on here on that site now? They're like parasites when it comes to a tidbit of fact about the good ol' fash. Might it possibly be as we have said for months that White himself fills those very pages himself? Wake up.
We have tested him and on EVERY occasion he failed. Every occasion the false information ONLY he was fed ended up on Indymedia or the C18 Guestbook. Those who support White are doing so simply because they dislike KD, KW or ES. There are at least three of these people who we KNOW White told about that folder saying they'd be banged up for three years yet they're now denying it. Why would they do that? Why shield a grass?
These people will do so at their peril because White will be the master of their downfall.
@es and exposer.i,m not a supporter of no one,just concerned but tony really needs to say something in his defence.
kw is a seasoned player can,t quite work out why he would associate himself with white knowing of his track record.
maybe it,ll jump out and bite me but at the minute it don,t and i can,t grasp why he would have any contact with him knowing as you say a wrong un.time will tell no doubt.
This is 'A', regarding your claims about being correct over Charlie 12 years ago, hindsight is a great gift. So, lets wait another 12 years before deciding about Tony. The the bloke is looking at his third prison sentence for defending his race, he has shown more commintment to the cause than most. What have you done for the White race today?
A.
In twelve years he will have set up half the movement to be sent down. If he is not a wrong un then how do you explain his own handwriting on the search warrant? Why would he forge that warrant if he is not a dirty lying grass? And what about ALL the info passed on to reds - info that only he knew? White's commitment to nationalism has been nil other than causing disunity and luring people to violence and prison cells. He is a grass. You feel free to wait twelve years but he'll have shit on you before then. Provide us with evidence that he is NOT a grass.
A - Why wait twelve years? I didn't need to then & I don't now. And anyway, 'White Lies' was written in 95, it's now 2009 so that's 14 years already. You must know White has lied about numerous things so why does he? More importantly why defend him?
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